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diamond lil
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Then you have nothing more to say, Adrien. I'm not interested in convincing anyone else I'm right, and neither is anyone else taking part in these discussions.
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adrien
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| Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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| diamond lil wrote: | | Then you have nothing more to say, Adrien. I'm not interested in convincing anyone else I'm right, and neither is anyone else taking part in these discussions. |
Well, it's not as if I were asking people to share their experiences just for the pleasure of tearing them into pieces by the power of my rationale mind. I just gave my point of view, and asked about the evidence for reincarnation you were mentioning - out of genuine interest, for it was the first time I heard about anything of the sort. I've read your answer with interest, and I thanked you for that. Well, I've not been convinced, and as you insisted with the same kind of story I explained why I could not accept them. Which was jut another way to say that, as far as I was concerned, the debate was over and that indeed I had "nothing more to say" on this particular topic.
At least we agree on that. But if you want to discuss my position, I'd be glad to answer. That would be interesting, by the way. A.L. and I have been defending rationale thinking all along these threads, but noone really questionned it, and still many have defended views that do not seem consistent with a rationale analysis - at least in my opinion. Thoughts, anyone?
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AngryLiberal
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Joined: 04 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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| adrien wrote: | | By the way. A.L. and I have been defending rational thinking all along these threads, but no-one really questioned it, and still many have defended views that do not seem consistent with a rationale analysis - at least in my opinion. Thoughts, anyone? |
Yeah, to a certain extend these threads have become divided down very extreme lines. On one side there are those who believe in these supernatural or spiritual experiences, on the other there are those that don't.
Those that do believe often cite "evidence" which does not appear to have a logical basis, when we rationalists, point this out, we accused of being destructive and of attempting to undermine someone's beliefs. Well I'm sorry but if you say something and back it up with patchy, inconsistent, or false evidence, then you are undermining your own beliefs.
The other argument which has been prevalent in some quarters, most notably Diamond Lil has been the argument which is articulated as: "Some evidence might exist to support my theory we just haven't found it yet." Which could otherwise be phrased as: "There is no evidence to support what I'm saying, but I'm gonna stick to my guns anyway."
This is ultimately a hollow argument, it make no more sense than me saying I believe all car crashes are caused by the sub-sonic sounds of blind lesbian dolphins bleating to one another... Hey there's no evidence for it, but some evidence may yet emerge to support my theory!
Its all very well to claim these threads are all about what you believe and not about the rational of such beliefs, but that makes for decidedly uninteresting and rather empty debates.
At the end of the day, if you are going to take a position that you cannot rationally justify, like "I believe in Reincarnation", then at least have the good sense to admit that you cannot rationally explain why you do, don't try as Lil has done to justify it with flawed case studies and false facts and figures.
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diamond lil
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:31 am Post subject: |
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oh for chrissakes. It isn't flawed thinking, merely slightly muddled. I came to the conclusions I have over a long period of time many years ago. It isn't something I think about any more, it's something I know. I believe that Mozart brought his knowledge of music with him from another life. I believe that because it's more rational to me than his father managed to teach him to a level he didn't have himself - that he couldn't teach his daughter to reach. I believe you cannot have knowledge without being taught , therefore it makes sense to me that Mozart brought the knowledge he had at 4 years old with him from a previous life.
It also makes sense to me that many of us bring knowledge and experiences with us, but they fade away from our memories as we grow out of babyhood. Mozart was born into a musical family, so his knowledge was encouraged and nurtured from the beginning of his life and didn't fade away, but blossomed and grew.
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wakeyboy
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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| diamond lil wrote: | oh for chrissakes. It isn't flawed thinking, merely slightly muddled. I came to the conclusions I have over a long period of time many years ago. It isn't something I think about any more, it's something I know. I believe that Mozart brought his knowledge of music with him from another life. I believe that because it's more rational to me than his father managed to teach him to a level he didn't have himself - that he couldn't teach his daughter to reach. I believe you cannot have knowledge without being taught , therefore it makes sense to me that Mozart brought the knowledge he had at 4 years old with him from a previous life.
It also makes sense to me that many of us bring knowledge and experiences with us, but they fade away from our memories as we grow out of babyhood. Mozart was born into a musical family, so his knowledge was encouraged and nurtured from the beginning of his life and didn't fade away, but blossomed and grew. |
I dont really believe that. Prodigies and savants do exist you know.
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diamond lil
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They do...there's no doubt some children are born with an enormous capacity to learn quickly and if their parents are capable of teaching them they they can learn at an astounding rate...but they do have to be taught everything they know until they have the maturity to find out for themselves.
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