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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 3:13 am    Post subject: World Religions Reply with quote

I'm starting a topic that should be free of the existence of God debate...

I read a book once called How Do You Spell God?, which was written by Rabbi Marc Gellman and Monsignor Thomas Hartman. The book described different religions, and was done in a very nonjudgmental fashion.

Which religions do you find fascinating? What do you like about them?

For instance, I have read up a bit on the religious beliefs of the Congolese Pygmies and the Cheyenne people of the Western Plains. While the Pygmies were very spiritual, in the way they connected music to God, the Cheyenne were very sage, and oriented towards raising very wise children.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know if this is what you're looking for, but when I was younger I was quite interested in ancient Greek and Egyptian mythology. I guess what I liked were the stories and personalities of the gods. Kind of like fairy tales, in a way. I was particularly taken by a book I used to take out of the library again and again - D'Aulaire's Book of Greek Myths. When I was an adult, I came across a softcover (but still full-sized) edition, so I now have it in my collection.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find Viking and Germanic mythology interesting - does that make me a Nazi? Shocked Confused


Celtic pagan beliefs are quite interesting too.



Within Christianity I find the Orthodox church the most interesting.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love Greek mythology. I don't know enough about Egyptian mythology to comment, except when it pertains to the Pharoahs. My favorite Greek myths would include -

Pgymalion and Galatea
Daedalus and Icarus
Arachne


My famous goddess would probably be Artemis.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wakeyboy wrote:
I find Viking and Germanic mythology interesting - does that make me a Nazi? Shocked Confused


Celtic pagan beliefs are quite interesting too.



Within Christianity I find the Orthodox church the most interesting.


Viking mythology is very solemn, isn't it? I love the look of the runes. I don't know much at all about Germanic mythology, sadly.

Celtic legends are great - King Llyr (Lear), Bran, Branwen, etc. It makes me feel proud to be descended from such excellent recordkeepers.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I find interesting is the correspondences between different religions, how they influence each other. In the dates of celebrations, for example (Christmas / Winter solstice, for example; or the word "Eastern" coming for the name of an ancient goddess...) Or in the dogma (relations between ancient Zoroastrian religions and Christianity)...

And I wonder what people who used to believe in Greek mythology would have thought of us comparing it with fairy tales... Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michele wrote:
My famous goddess would probably be Artemis.


Me, too!!! She was strong-minded and independent, and I like her association with the moon.

I like, in addition to the ones you listed, the story of Io, and how the peacock got the eyes on its tail; Leda and her children, Castor and Pollux, and Helen of Troy and her sister whose name I can't recall; the labors of Heracles; and especially the story of Proserpine.

For a period around the end of grade school, I was very interested the ancient Egyptians. Now I have been renewing my familiarity somewhat through one of my favorite mystery series, Elizabeth Peters' Amelia Peabody series (Amelia is a Victorian feminist Egyptologist), and a few of the oracles I have (Cartouche cards and Sacred Scarabs). But I don't know those myths as well as the Greek.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

adrien wrote:
What I find interesting is the correspondences between different religions, how they influence each other. In the dates of celebrations, for example (Christmas / Winter solstice, for example; or the word "Eastern" coming for the name of an ancient goddess...) Or in the dogma (relations between ancient Zoroastrian religions and Christianity)...

And I wonder what people who used to believe in Greek mythology would have thought of us comparing it with fairy tales... Wink


Yes, it is interesting how the Christians tried to meld some of the pagan beliefs with their own, in order to win over the pagans and make Christianity more acceptable to them. Perhaps religions are a bit more adaptable than some give them credit for.

Actually, I suppose there are probably some studies showing the cultural and sociological significance of fairy tales, and that there is a lot more to them than just entertaining children. So there may be a connection to mythology, after all. Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On one of my visits to New Orleans I was astonished to discover that there is an enormous correllation between Roman Catholicism and Voodoo. Shocked
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, absolutely. I think that's due to the large number of French-speaking Haitians that were brought to New Orleans. Cajuns also tend to believe in Voodoo, or at least magic.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Examples? I thought voodoo was a west-African religion. Though in America it may have been influenced by other religions, originally I don't think it was. Do these common points with catholicism also appear in "traditional" voodoo?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I was of course referring more to the Haitian slaves than the white plantation owners. I am not 100% sure but I thought Haitians were descended from West Africans brought over to Haiti.


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A sizeable percentage of the population in Haiti also practices the religion of Vodou (Voodoo), whether exclusively or alongside Roman Catholic observances. Some of Haiti's traditions and artistic styles reflect a unique syncretism, or combination, of Roman Catholicism and the African-derived Vodou (or Vodoun).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haitians

From what I've read, they frequently invoke the saints in their voodoo charms. I also remember watching a documentary on their belief in zombies.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its not right to say that there is a correlation between Voodoo and Roman Catholicism.

They are two seperate religions/beliefs.

However, it is right to say that elements of voodoo were retained after the Haitians became Catholic.


In South America, many native people who are catholic have retained some of their rituals and beliefs.


It shows that cultures cannot be completely replaced by a new one. Certain things will carry over.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that's what I was saying, or at least trying to say. In New Orleans, the Voodoo Queens mix their Catholicism with their belief in voodoo.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

adrien wrote:
What I find interesting is the correspondences between different religions, how they influence each other. In the dates of celebrations, for example (Christmas / Winter solstice, for example; or the word "Eastern" coming for the name of an ancient goddess...) Or in the dogma (relations between ancient Zoroastrian religions and Christianity)...


Oh adrien, don't get me started on the old time christians and the festivals they "adapted" from the pagans.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mpls Druid wrote:
adrien wrote:
What I find interesting is the correspondences between different religions, how they influence each other. In the dates of celebrations, for example (Christmas / Winter solstice, for example; or the word "Eastern" coming for the name of an ancient goddess...) Or in the dogma (relations between ancient Zoroastrian religions and Christianity)...


Oh adrien, don't get me started on the old time christians and the festivals they "adapted" from the pagans.




Well its taken a year to get you started!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wakeyboy wrote:
Mpls Druid wrote:
adrien wrote:
What I find interesting is the correspondences between different religions, how they influence each other. In the dates of celebrations, for example (Christmas / Winter solstice, for example; or the word "Eastern" coming for the name of an ancient goddess...) Or in the dogma (relations between ancient Zoroastrian religions and Christianity)...


Oh adrien, don't get me started on the old time christians and the festivals they "adapted" from the pagans.




Well its taken a year to get you started!


Hardly.....Druid's only been a member for 9 days. Shocked
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vintage Girl wrote:
wakeyboy wrote:
Mpls Druid wrote:
adrien wrote:
What I find interesting is the correspondences between different religions, how they influence each other. In the dates of celebrations, for example (Christmas / Winter solstice, for example; or the word "Eastern" coming for the name of an ancient goddess...) Or in the dogma (relations between ancient Zoroastrian religions and Christianity)...


Oh adrien, don't get me started on the old time christians and the festivals they "adapted" from the pagans.




Well its taken a year to get you started!


Hardly.....Druid's only been a member for 9 days. Shocked




Oh, mistaking them for someone else. Still, its about a year later since the last posts! Razz
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still, it's never too late if you have something to add.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's amazing what can happen in a year... though evidently some things never change.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mpls Druid wrote:
adrien wrote:
What I find interesting is the correspondences between different religions, how they influence each other. In the dates of celebrations, for example (Christmas / Winter solstice, for example; or the word "Eastern" coming for the name of an ancient goddess...) Or in the dogma (relations between ancient Zoroastrian religions and Christianity)...


Oh adrien, don't get me started on the old time christians and the festivals they "adapted" from the pagans.


Simply put it was an exercise in getting the newly converted Christians to give up their Pagan festivals. Let's celebrate the birth of Jesus, but we'll do it at the same time you used to celebrate the solstice. Bait & switch, really.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you, KW!!!!! All Hallow's Eve was taken over and converted to All Saints Day, Easter is simply an adaptation of the Goddess Eostre's name and the timing for the holiday is based on full moons, Spring Equinox and such, utilising eggs and bunnies just as the pagan community does...


Oh brother, now I've started!
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Mpls Druid wrote:
Thank you, KW!!!!! All Hallow's Eve was taken over and converted to All Saints Day, Easter is simply an adaptation of the Goddess Eostre's name and the timing for the holiday is based on full moons, Spring Equinox and such, utilising eggs and bunnies just as the pagan community does...


Oh brother, now I've started!


Laughing I was trying to head you off there...

The only time holiday sharing bothers me is durning Christmas when the Christians get on their high horse about leaving the "Christ in Christmas" and "Jesus is the Reason for the Season". Oh and the elementary schools that are turning Halloween into fall festivals because we don't want to scare the kiddies. Rolling Eyes They get so damn sanctimonious about it all and act like they have the ownership and patent on celebrations.

Now you've got me wound up! Laughing
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I know what you mean!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kitchenwitch wrote:
Oh and the elementary schools that are turning Halloween into fall festivals because we don't want to scare the kiddies. Rolling Eyes They get so damn sanctimonious about it all and act like they have the ownership and patent on celebrations.

Now you've got me wound up! Laughing


This is going OT, but that reminded me of a ridiculous story I read today about, once again, Christian radio getting all worked up over a tempest in a teapot in an elementary school:

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REEDSBURG, Wis. - An elementary-school event in which kids were encouraged to dress as members of the opposite gender drew the ire of a Christian radio group, whose angry broadcast prompted outraged calls to the district office.

Students at Pineview Elementary in Reedsburg had been dressing in costume all last week as part of an annual school tradition called Wacky Week. On Friday, students were encouraged to dress either as senior citizens or as members of the opposite sex.

A local resident informed the Voice of Christian Youth America on Friday. The Milwaukee-based radio network responded by interrupting its morning programming for a special broadcast that aired on nine radio stations throughout Wisconsin. The broadcast criticized the dress-up day and accused the district of promoting alternative lifestyles.


Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

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"We believe it's the wrong message to send to elementary students," said Jim Schneider, the network's program director. "Our station is one that promotes traditional family values. It concerns us when a school district strikes at the heart and core of the Biblical values. To promote this to elementary-school students is a great error."

Schneider co-hosts "Crosstalk," a nationally syndicated call-in Christian radio show.


Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

Is one of these so-called 'Biblical values' something like 'Thou shalt not let children be children and have fun playing dress-up'?

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After the program aired, both the school and Reedsburg School District office were flooded with calls complaining about the event.

The response surprised Principal Tammy Hayes, who said no one had raised any objections beforehand. She said a flier detailing Wacky Week had been sent home with children the prior week, and an announcement was also included in teacher newsletters.

The dress-up day was not an attempt to promote cross-dressing, homosexuality or alternative gender roles, district administrator Tom Benson said.

"The promotion of transgenderism — that was not our purpose," Benson told the Baraboo News Republic. "Our purpose was to have a Wacky Week, mixing in a bit of silliness with our reading, writing and arithmetic."

The theme for Friday's dress-up day came from students, Hayes said.

"It's different every year. They basically present the ideas, and they vote on what they would like from Monday through Friday," Hayes said. "... They did not mean anything by this day. They were trying to have fun and come up with a fun dress-up day."


The sad bit:

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"I can assure you we will not be having this day (again)," Hayes said.


School’s cross-dressing event causes a stir

This reminds me of a recent episode of SuperNanny, in which a small boy enjoyed playing dress-up in his sister's clothes. The father was convinced that his son would grow up to be gay if this continued, and would scold and belittle the boy. Jo convinced him that dress-up is just normal play for little kids and not to read too much into it.

I just thought of something else:

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About 40 percent of the student body dressed up Friday, Hayes estimated, with half portraying senior citizens and half dressing as the opposite sex.


What about the kids who dressed up as senior citizens? They might prematurely age! Razz
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JuanaLaLoca wrote:
What about the kids who dressed up as senior citizens? They might prematurely age! Razz


And what about the kids who dressed up as senior citizens of the opposite sex? Razz
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poppycock wrote:
JuanaLaLoca wrote:
What about the kids who dressed up as senior citizens? They might prematurely age! Razz


And what about the kids who dressed up as senior citizens of the opposite sex? Razz


OMG the trauma, they'll need therapy for years. Laughing
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We might as well bring em all here to the asylum to really have wacky weeks!
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Mad ARGH! I can't stand it when people get al wigged out over the most foolish things. Especially in the name of religion. It's all about fear.
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kitchenwitch wrote:
Mad ARGH! I can't stand it when people get al wigged out over the most foolish things. Especially in the name of religion. It's all about fear.


I always struggle when I meet people like that, I keep waiting for them to say they are joking Embarassed
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