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Michele Guest
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 3:13 am Post subject: World Religions |
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I'm starting a topic that should be free of the existence of God debate...
I read a book once called How Do You Spell God?, which was written by Rabbi Marc Gellman and Monsignor Thomas Hartman. The book described different religions, and was done in a very nonjudgmental fashion.
Which religions do you find fascinating? What do you like about them?
For instance, I have read up a bit on the religious beliefs of the Congolese Pygmies and the Cheyenne people of the Western Plains. While the Pygmies were very spiritual, in the way they connected music to God, the Cheyenne were very sage, and oriented towards raising very wise children. |
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JuanaLaLoca A-cute schizophrenic

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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't know if this is what you're looking for, but when I was younger I was quite interested in ancient Greek and Egyptian mythology. I guess what I liked were the stories and personalities of the gods. Kind of like fairy tales, in a way. I was particularly taken by a book I used to take out of the library again and again - D'Aulaire's Book of Greek Myths. When I was an adult, I came across a softcover (but still full-sized) edition, so I now have it in my collection. |
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wakeyboy Inmate of the Asylum

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Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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I find Viking and Germanic mythology interesting - does that make me a Nazi?
Celtic pagan beliefs are quite interesting too.
Within Christianity I find the Orthodox church the most interesting. _________________ http://www.realradioyorkshire.co.uk/ |
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Michele Guest
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 12:23 am Post subject: |
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I love Greek mythology. I don't know enough about Egyptian mythology to comment, except when it pertains to the Pharoahs. My favorite Greek myths would include -
Pgymalion and Galatea
Daedalus and Icarus
Arachne
My famous goddess would probably be Artemis. |
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Michele Guest
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 12:24 am Post subject: |
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| wakeyboy wrote: | I find Viking and Germanic mythology interesting - does that make me a Nazi?
Celtic pagan beliefs are quite interesting too.
Within Christianity I find the Orthodox church the most interesting. |
Viking mythology is very solemn, isn't it? I love the look of the runes. I don't know much at all about Germanic mythology, sadly.
Celtic legends are great - King Llyr (Lear), Bran, Branwen, etc. It makes me feel proud to be descended from such excellent recordkeepers. |
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adrien Inmate of the Asylum

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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:20 am Post subject: |
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What I find interesting is the correspondences between different religions, how they influence each other. In the dates of celebrations, for example (Christmas / Winter solstice, for example; or the word "Eastern" coming for the name of an ancient goddess...) Or in the dogma (relations between ancient Zoroastrian religions and Christianity)...
And I wonder what people who used to believe in Greek mythology would have thought of us comparing it with fairy tales...  _________________ Sit on the banks of the river and wait for the corpse of your enemy. - Indian proverb. |
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JuanaLaLoca A-cute schizophrenic

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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Michele wrote: | | My famous goddess would probably be Artemis. |
Me, too!!! She was strong-minded and independent, and I like her association with the moon.
I like, in addition to the ones you listed, the story of Io, and how the peacock got the eyes on its tail; Leda and her children, Castor and Pollux, and Helen of Troy and her sister whose name I can't recall; the labors of Heracles; and especially the story of Proserpine.
For a period around the end of grade school, I was very interested the ancient Egyptians. Now I have been renewing my familiarity somewhat through one of my favorite mystery series, Elizabeth Peters' Amelia Peabody series (Amelia is a Victorian feminist Egyptologist), and a few of the oracles I have (Cartouche cards and Sacred Scarabs). But I don't know those myths as well as the Greek. |
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JuanaLaLoca A-cute schizophrenic

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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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| adrien wrote: | What I find interesting is the correspondences between different religions, how they influence each other. In the dates of celebrations, for example (Christmas / Winter solstice, for example; or the word "Eastern" coming for the name of an ancient goddess...) Or in the dogma (relations between ancient Zoroastrian religions and Christianity)...
And I wonder what people who used to believe in Greek mythology would have thought of us comparing it with fairy tales...  |
Yes, it is interesting how the Christians tried to meld some of the pagan beliefs with their own, in order to win over the pagans and make Christianity more acceptable to them. Perhaps religions are a bit more adaptable than some give them credit for.
Actually, I suppose there are probably some studies showing the cultural and sociological significance of fairy tales, and that there is a lot more to them than just entertaining children. So there may be a connection to mythology, after all.  |
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Vintage Girl Moderator

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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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On one of my visits to New Orleans I was astonished to discover that there is an enormous correllation between Roman Catholicism and Voodoo.  |
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Michele Guest
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Oh, absolutely. I think that's due to the large number of French-speaking Haitians that were brought to New Orleans. Cajuns also tend to believe in Voodoo, or at least magic. |
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adrien Inmate of the Asylum

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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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Examples? I thought voodoo was a west-African religion. Though in America it may have been influenced by other religions, originally I don't think it was. Do these common points with catholicism also appear in "traditional" voodoo? _________________ Sit on the banks of the river and wait for the corpse of your enemy. - Indian proverb. |
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Michele Guest
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I was of course referring more to the Haitian slaves than the white plantation owners. I am not 100% sure but I thought Haitians were descended from West Africans brought over to Haiti.
| Quote: | | A sizeable percentage of the population in Haiti also practices the religion of Vodou (Voodoo), whether exclusively or alongside Roman Catholic observances. Some of Haiti's traditions and artistic styles reflect a unique syncretism, or combination, of Roman Catholicism and the African-derived Vodou (or Vodoun). |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haitians
From what I've read, they frequently invoke the saints in their voodoo charms. I also remember watching a documentary on their belief in zombies. |
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wakeyboy Inmate of the Asylum

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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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Its not right to say that there is a correlation between Voodoo and Roman Catholicism.
They are two seperate religions/beliefs.
However, it is right to say that elements of voodoo were retained after the Haitians became Catholic.
In South America, many native people who are catholic have retained some of their rituals and beliefs.
It shows that cultures cannot be completely replaced by a new one. Certain things will carry over. _________________ http://www.realradioyorkshire.co.uk/ |
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Michele Guest
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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| I think that's what I was saying, or at least trying to say. In New Orleans, the Voodoo Queens mix their Catholicism with their belief in voodoo. |
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Mpls Druid Inmate of the Asylum

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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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| adrien wrote: | | What I find interesting is the correspondences between different religions, how they influence each other. In the dates of celebrations, for example (Christmas / Winter solstice, for example; or the word "Eastern" coming for the name of an ancient goddess...) Or in the dogma (relations between ancient Zoroastrian religions and Christianity)... |
Oh adrien, don't get me started on the old time christians and the festivals they "adapted" from the pagans. |
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wakeyboy Inmate of the Asylum

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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Mpls Druid wrote: | | adrien wrote: | | What I find interesting is the correspondences between different religions, how they influence each other. In the dates of celebrations, for example (Christmas / Winter solstice, for example; or the word "Eastern" coming for the name of an ancient goddess...) Or in the dogma (relations between ancient Zoroastrian religions and Christianity)... |
Oh adrien, don't get me started on the old time christians and the festivals they "adapted" from the pagans. |
Well its taken a year to get you started! _________________ http://www.realradioyorkshire.co.uk/ |
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Vintage Girl Moderator

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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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| wakeyboy wrote: | | Mpls Druid wrote: | | adrien wrote: | | What I find interesting is the correspondences between different religions, how they influence each other. In the dates of celebrations, for example (Christmas / Winter solstice, for example; or the word "Eastern" coming for the name of an ancient goddess...) Or in the dogma (relations between ancient Zoroastrian religions and Christianity)... |
Oh adrien, don't get me started on the old time christians and the festivals they "adapted" from the pagans. |
Well its taken a year to get you started! |
Hardly.....Druid's only been a member for 9 days.  _________________ Girls are like phones. We love to be held and talked to, but if you press the wrong button you'll be disconnected! |
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wakeyboy Inmate of the Asylum

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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Vintage Girl wrote: | | wakeyboy wrote: | | Mpls Druid wrote: | | adrien wrote: | | What I find interesting is the correspondences between different religions, how they influence each other. In the dates of celebrations, for example (Christmas / Winter solstice, for example; or the word "Eastern" coming for the name of an ancient goddess...) Or in the dogma (relations between ancient Zoroastrian religions and Christianity)... |
Oh adrien, don't get me started on the old time christians and the festivals they "adapted" from the pagans. |
Well its taken a year to get you started! |
Hardly.....Druid's only been a member for 9 days.  |
Oh, mistaking them for someone else. Still, its about a year later since the last posts!  _________________ http://www.realradioyorkshire.co.uk/ |
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Vintage Girl Moderator

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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 12:05 am Post subject: |
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Still, it's never too late if you have something to add. _________________ Girls are like phones. We love to be held and talked to, but if you press the wrong button you'll be disconnected! |
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BlueEmperor Moderator

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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 12:07 am Post subject: |
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It's amazing what can happen in a year... though evidently some things never change.
B.E. _________________ The doctor is in! |
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kitchenwitch Inmate of the Asylum

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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Mpls Druid wrote: | | adrien wrote: | | What I find interesting is the correspondences between different religions, how they influence each other. In the dates of celebrations, for example (Christmas / Winter solstice, for example; or the word "Eastern" coming for the name of an ancient goddess...) Or in the dogma (relations between ancient Zoroastrian religions and Christianity)... |
Oh adrien, don't get me started on the old time christians and the festivals they "adapted" from the pagans. |
Simply put it was an exercise in getting the newly converted Christians to give up their Pagan festivals. Let's celebrate the birth of Jesus, but we'll do it at the same time you used to celebrate the solstice. Bait & switch, really. |
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Mpls Druid Inmate of the Asylum

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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you, KW!!!!! All Hallow's Eve was taken over and converted to All Saints Day, Easter is simply an adaptation of the Goddess Eostre's name and the timing for the holiday is based on full moons, Spring Equinox and such, utilising eggs and bunnies just as the pagan community does...
Oh brother, now I've started! |
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kitchenwitch Inmate of the Asylum

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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Mpls Druid wrote: | Thank you, KW!!!!! All Hallow's Eve was taken over and converted to All Saints Day, Easter is simply an adaptation of the Goddess Eostre's name and the timing for the holiday is based on full moons, Spring Equinox and such, utilising eggs and bunnies just as the pagan community does...
Oh brother, now I've started! |
I was trying to head you off there...
The only time holiday sharing bothers me is durning Christmas when the Christians get on their high horse about leaving the "Christ in Christmas" and "Jesus is the Reason for the Season". Oh and the elementary schools that are turning Halloween into fall festivals because we don't want to scare the kiddies. They get so damn sanctimonious about it all and act like they have the ownership and patent on celebrations.
Now you've got me wound up!  |
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Mpls Druid Inmate of the Asylum

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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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| I know what you mean! |
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JuanaLaLoca A-cute schizophrenic

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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| kitchenwitch wrote: | Oh and the elementary schools that are turning Halloween into fall festivals because we don't want to scare the kiddies. They get so damn sanctimonious about it all and act like they have the ownership and patent on celebrations.
Now you've got me wound up!  |
This is going OT, but that reminded me of a ridiculous story I read today about, once again, Christian radio getting all worked up over a tempest in a teapot in an elementary school:
| Quote: | REEDSBURG, Wis. - An elementary-school event in which kids were encouraged to dress as members of the opposite gender drew the ire of a Christian radio group, whose angry broadcast prompted outraged calls to the district office.
Students at Pineview Elementary in Reedsburg had been dressing in costume all last week as part of an annual school tradition called Wacky Week. On Friday, students were encouraged to dress either as senior citizens or as members of the opposite sex.
A local resident informed the Voice of Christian Youth America on Friday. The Milwaukee-based radio network responded by interrupting its morning programming for a special broadcast that aired on nine radio stations throughout Wisconsin. The broadcast criticized the dress-up day and accused the district of promoting alternative lifestyles. |
| Quote: | "We believe it's the wrong message to send to elementary students," said Jim Schneider, the network's program director. "Our station is one that promotes traditional family values. It concerns us when a school district strikes at the heart and core of the Biblical values. To promote this to elementary-school students is a great error."
Schneider co-hosts "Crosstalk," a nationally syndicated call-in Christian radio show. |
Is one of these so-called 'Biblical values' something like 'Thou shalt not let children be children and have fun playing dress-up'?
| Quote: | After the program aired, both the school and Reedsburg School District office were flooded with calls complaining about the event.
The response surprised Principal Tammy Hayes, who said no one had raised any objections beforehand. She said a flier detailing Wacky Week had been sent home with children the prior week, and an announcement was also included in teacher newsletters.
The dress-up day was not an attempt to promote cross-dressing, homosexuality or alternative gender roles, district administrator Tom Benson said.
"The promotion of transgenderism — that was not our purpose," Benson told the Baraboo News Republic. "Our purpose was to have a Wacky Week, mixing in a bit of silliness with our reading, writing and arithmetic."
The theme for Friday's dress-up day came from students, Hayes said.
"It's different every year. They basically present the ideas, and they vote on what they would like from Monday through Friday," Hayes said. "... They did not mean anything by this day. They were trying to have fun and come up with a fun dress-up day." |
The sad bit:
| Quote: | | "I can assure you we will not be having this day (again)," Hayes said. |
School’s cross-dressing event causes a stir
This reminds me of a recent episode of SuperNanny, in which a small boy enjoyed playing dress-up in his sister's clothes. The father was convinced that his son would grow up to be gay if this continued, and would scold and belittle the boy. Jo convinced him that dress-up is just normal play for little kids and not to read too much into it.
I just thought of something else:
| Quote: | | About 40 percent of the student body dressed up Friday, Hayes estimated, with half portraying senior citizens and half dressing as the opposite sex. |
What about the kids who dressed up as senior citizens? They might prematurely age!  |
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poppycock Inmate of the Asylum

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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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| JuanaLaLoca wrote: | What about the kids who dressed up as senior citizens? They might prematurely age!  |
And what about the kids who dressed up as senior citizens of the opposite sex?  |
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Vintage Girl Moderator

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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| poppycock wrote: | | JuanaLaLoca wrote: | What about the kids who dressed up as senior citizens? They might prematurely age!  |
And what about the kids who dressed up as senior citizens of the opposite sex?  |
OMG the trauma, they'll need therapy for years.  _________________ Girls are like phones. We love to be held and talked to, but if you press the wrong button you'll be disconnected! |
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Mpls Druid Inmate of the Asylum

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Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| We might as well bring em all here to the asylum to really have wacky weeks! |
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kitchenwitch Inmate of the Asylum

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Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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ARGH! I can't stand it when people get al wigged out over the most foolish things. Especially in the name of religion. It's all about fear. |
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JC
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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| kitchenwitch wrote: | ARGH! I can't stand it when people get al wigged out over the most foolish things. Especially in the name of religion. It's all about fear. |
I always struggle when I meet people like that, I keep waiting for them to say they are joking  |
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