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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 7:59 pm    Post subject: It's Official! Reply with quote

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'HM Government has never been approached by people from outer space'


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Is there anybody out there? The Ministry of Defence, it seems, is taking no chances. Files containing hundreds of previously classified reports are being released today in the hope of persuading ufologists that there has been no cover-up regarding the existence of visitors from outer space.

Yet the files do show that the MoD conducted a rigorous investigation of every alleged sighting of a UFO until well into the 1980s. In a briefing note in 1979 the MoD wrote: “Her Majesty’s Government has never been approached by people from outer space.” But the Defence Intelligence Staff was given the task of following up sightings, interviewing witnesses, collating information and filing reports.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article3927468.ece

Well, that's alright then! Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they had, it would be ok with the Pope:

Vatican: It's OK to believe in aliens

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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Catholic church must be really desperate for new members if they're willing to accept space aliens. Yoda for Pope?
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kitchenwitch wrote:
The Catholic church must be really desperate for new members if they're willing to accept space aliens. Yoda for Pope?



If you listen to their reasoning then its not that unusual. Aliens would just be more of God's creations. It would put limits on God's creative abilities to say for certain that there are no aliens.
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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh stop being so level headed Wakey, I was just going for the joke. Rolling Eyes

I suspect Spock would be an atheist...
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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Oh stop being so level headed Wakey, I was just going for the joke. Rolling Eyes

I suspect Spock would be an atheist...




The Vulcans did believe in gods but I think most of them had stopped believing long ago. There was a god of war, one of peace and one of death.

In the 4th century AD (earth time) the great Vulcan philosopher Surak, advocated the suppressing of emotion in favor of logic. This period was known as the Great Awakening, and much of present-day Vulcan philosophy emerged from this period.
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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't think the Vulcans would find the "logic" in gods, and most certainly wouldn't in just one all-powerful god. But I'm not that deeply into Star Trek either. I can't get over the fact people have made such elaborate back-stories and languages for fictional characters. But hey, if it makes you happy, who the hell cares?
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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kitchenwitch wrote:
I wouldn't think the Vulcans would find the "logic" in gods, and most certainly wouldn't in just one all-powerful god. But I'm not that deeply into Star Trek either. I can't get over the fact people have made such elaborate back-stories and languages for fictional characters. But hey, if it makes you happy, who the hell cares?



No I think the Vulcans rejected the gods in favour of the philosophical teachings of Surak.

No body has made up elaborate back stories for characters. This is derived from the tv series and films. There are pages of Wikipaedia devoted to the histories of various star trek species. Theres also star trek encyclopaedias.
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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Terrans/humans (homosapiens)

A founding member of the United Federation of Planets, Humans of Earth became warp-capable in 2063, which was the same year they experienced first official contact with an alien species, the Vulcans.

By the 24th century, Human society had changed from what it was for most of recorded history. On Earth, hunger, war, disease, famine, and poverty had largely been eliminated. The acquisition of wealth was no longer the primary driving force in the lives of many Humans. A great deal of emphasis was placed on the importance of continued societal and self-growth. Thanks to the non-currency based New World Economy and the development of replicators, material needs were largely satisfied. Although money was no longer used by Humans within the Federation, they did use gold-pressed latinum and other forms of currency (such as Bajoran litas and credits) in places where it was still needed, such as Quark's. The idea behind not using money being that Humans work to better themselves and the rest of Humanity (see Human philosophy). (DS9: "Necessary Evil", "In the Cards"; Star Trek: First Contact) It must be noted that all of this more specifically applies to Humans within the Sol system, as many Earth colonies are known to have developed vast cultural differences from other Humans and some have even fallen into chaos, most notably Turkana IV.

While achieving warp capability in 2063, there were human populations on other planets prior to this. In these cases, they would usually have been brought there by alien species, who had traveled to Earth. For instance, Native Americans had been transplanted on Amerind by an unknown alien race called the Preservers some time in the 19th century. In 2268, they still lived as hunters and gatherers. Captain Kirk was adopted into one of the tribes of Amerind as the god Kirok. (TOS: "The Paradise Syndrome")

Biology...

Bilaterally symmetrical bipedal primates, Humans were a warm-blooded humanoid species with an average lifespan of around 120 years, although some individuals achieved a much older age.

They had evolved from the australopithecines. (TNG: "Genesis") At least three sentient species of human existed on Earth: Homo sapiens, Homo floresiensis and Homo neanderthalensis (the Neanderthals). These species coexisted for some time until first the Neanderthals became extinct followed by Homo floresiensis, leaving only one species of human in the present. Humanity's closest living relative was the chimpanzee. (ENT: "Dear Doctor")

The Human species was one of the more distinct sentient groups present in the Milky Way Galaxy as, while they did not possess any dominant or noticeable bony ridges around their face or on their bodies as was common to many races throughout space, they did possess a great deal of phenotypic diversity within their species. Skin color, eye color, blood type, facial structures, hair color and hair type varied considerably between individuals and made nearly every single Human distinct in appearance from the next. An exception to this was in the case of identical twins, an anomaly that occurs in approximately three in every 1,000 Human births.

They had two sexes, as was common to many humanoid species. The female of the species was fertile once a month after she reached puberty (between the age of twelve and sixteen) until the onset of a biochemical stage known as menopause (between the age of 45 and 55). Human gestation lasted nine months. The make-up of Human DNA structure was significant, as, with some modifications, it allowed them to cross breed successfully with a wide range of other races across the galaxy, including Vulcans, Klingons, and Betazoids.

Humans were not as physically strong as some species such as Klingon and Vulcans, but they were resilient. They were more adaptable to incarceration than Klingons (DS9: "Inquisition"). They could survive with one lung or kidney (they have two of each normally), and they could go days without water and weeks without food due to their bodies' ability to conserve water and live off stored fat respectively. Their bodies' efficient temperature regulation allowed them to resist and survive cold temperatures that would adversely affect other species such as Cardassians and Klingons, or high temperatures that would be uncomfortable for an Andorian. They also possessed more acute hearing than Cardassians. (DS9: "Distant Voices")

Humans had iron-based hemoglobin in their blood. Each individual's blood had one of eight types depending on the presence or absence of three antigens called A, B, and Rh. The most common blood types among them were O+ and A+.

Culture...

Humans were easily the most outworldly, idealistic and expansionistic race in the United Federation of Planets. Humans had no true specialty or extraordinary qualities and were average in both a technological and physical sense. Instead they were more idealistic, outgoing and cooperative than other races.

The Devore inspector Kashyk remarked that Human culture had many contradictions, violence and beauty, science and faith, all somehow mingled harmoniously. Similar to the counterpoint of a musical composition. (VOY: "Counterpoint")

Because Humans were the Federation species most interested in space exploration, they made up a large majority of Starfleet. The fact that Starfleet was originally a pre-Federation Earth organization also contributed to the Human dominance of Starfleet. Humans also made up the majority of colonists on Federation colonies.

Human adaptability and their strong tradition of innovation and cooperation brought them to the forefront of the current Federation interstellar situation. It was for this very reason, however, that Human society was constantly changing and evolving. This was seen not only on the isolated colonies, where the past traditions brought by culturally and geographically homogeneous blocks of colonists compete with new cultural pragmatisms demanded of frontier life, but also in the staid and settled core worlds as well. Fashion, speech and especially political views were constantly changing.

For species that were steeped in tradition and genealogical reverence as the basis of their societies, the Human fascination with the novel experience and their unending desire to innovate and explore, to discover for the sake of discovery, were all difficult concepts to grasp.


other info...

-The Borg designation for Humans was "Species 5618". Humans were considered by the Borg to possess below-average cranial capacity, minimal redundant systems and limited regenerative abilities.

-The Klingon and Ferengi words for Human were both spelled exactly the same (Human), although the Klingon was pronounced with a rough fricative, much like the "ch" in Bach or Loch. Klingons also referred to them by the name of their homeplanet Terra, tera'ngan, and the Ferengi changed the pronunciation of the 'a' in Human, pronouncing it as "hyu-mon".
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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

An obsession with UFOs is by no means confined to the usual cranks. I haven't inspected the recently declassified files but I am sure that the late Admiral of the Fleet Lord Hill-Norton, a five-star admiral and former First Sea Lord and Chief of the Defence Staff, features in them prominently.

After retiring from the Royal Navy in 1977, having served the last three years of his career as Chairman of the NATO Military Committee, Admiral of the Fleet Sir Peter Hill-Norton was enobled and sat in the House of Lords as a crossbench peer. In this new incarnation, Lord Hill-Norton took an extreme interest in UFOs, including writing about them, asking questions in Parliament and founding the pressure group UFO Concern

Lord Hill-Norton chaired a House of Lord's investigation into UFOs, in which he publicly criticised the Ministry of Defence for allegedly destroying UFO-related documents after just five years in the archives at Kew. Over the years, Lord Hill-Norton became a formidable authority on the subject and raised the matter many times from his platform in the Upper House, often to the chagrin of ministers (hardly surprising considering that Lord Hill-Norton was once described as "one of the rudest men in the Royal Navy", once referring to Defence Secretary Michael Portillo as a "little creep"). For his own part, Lord Hill-Norton said:

"I have asked a number of questions about the base [RAF Feltwell in Suffolk] and never get a satisfactory answer... There are no man-made objects in interstellar space, so I want to know what they are really doing. And I want to know what the Government is doing about the UFO problem. There is overwhelming evidence that there are physical objects in Earth's atmosphere and they are not man-made."

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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why does everyone assume the term UFO is synonymous with alien spaceship? It simply refers to something flying (or falling for that matter) through the air that can't be identified. And they're rarely seen during the day. And why does it have to be big? What if that swarm of gnats (at least we think they're gnats) is actually an armada from some distant solar system? Just some food for thought.
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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kitchenwitch wrote:
Why does everyone assume the term UFO is synonymous with alien spaceship? It simply refers to something flying (or falling for that matter) through the air that can't be identified. And they're rarely seen during the day. And why does it have to be big? What if that swarm of gnats (at least we think they're gnats) is actually an armada from some distant solar system? Just some food for thought.




The government and the military tend to say UAP's now instead of UFO, because of the connotations it carries.

UAP = Unidentified Aerial Phenomena
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JuanaLaLoca wrote:
If they had, it would be ok with the Pope:

Vatican: It's OK to believe in aliens

Laughing


ive always thought that life on other planets doesnt contradict christianity-christians believe god made us in his image and made the earth-doesnt mean he didnt make other people and other worlds
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