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JC · Joined: 09 Apr 2008 Posts: 46 Location: New Jersey

Where is the mother ? Confused

SilverMiniCooperS · Inmate of the Asylum Joined: 09 Jan 2007 Posts: 195

I read about this on another board. It is unbelievable. How could that woman have lived there all those years and never known what was going on in the bloody cellar!

Just when you think someone has reached the lowest depths of depravity, someone else comes along and trumps them!

kitchenwitch · Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 5:32 pm Post subject:

That poor girl. She missed all of those years of her life being locked up and assaulted by her father. What will it take for her to get over that, if it's at all possible? He must be incredibly abusive to have kept her mother out of the basement all those years.

wakeyboy · Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:50 pm Post subject:

Merak · Inmate of the Asylum Joined: 05 Apr 2008 Posts: 214

well they weren't living on rats and spiders or anything in the darkness of a cave - they had a self contained dungeon with Electricity/cooking/washing/sleeping/TV/Video facilities... and, bear in mind that their mum was about 18 at the time so was already educated so could pass that on to the kids. The kids might not have experienced sunlight, but they've seen it on TV/Video. They're not "twisted animal-people". They're people who've been kept prisoner.

Vintage Girl · Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 11:27 pm Post subject:

I agree they're not 'twisted animal people' but this will have had a huge effect on their development.
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wakeyboy · Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 11:47 pm Post subject:

ok, that was a bit wrong what I said, but I'm just expecting serious mental/learning/social issues.
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kitchenwitch · Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:51 pm Post subject:

Being locked in the basement and unable to socialize with other people would most likely make them all fearful of strangers and without the skills to cope in public. And who knows what kind of horrors dad/grandpa visited on them all and what kind of relationship they had with their mother. I don't think there is any way to ever become what we consider normal.

Merak · Inmate of the Asylum Joined: 05 Apr 2008 Posts: 214

Dont forget that much of what they've never physically experienced, they've seen via the tele, so it's not all completely new to them - which is a godsend really. Apparently they don't seem to be doing too badly all things considered. The 5 y/o comes off the lightest probably being so young and is most likely to have the smoothest transition.

I wonder if their mum ever actually told them that they were being held captive or just raised them thinking it was best not to tell them what was really going on? Whatever, she is one remarkable woman. Anyone in that position could certainly have been forgiven for topping any children along with themself.

Does anybody know how they were discovered? As far I know the hospital staff found a note hidden in the clothing of the girl taken to hospital, but how did they find it? Confused

SilverMiniCooperS · Inmate of the Asylum Joined: 09 Jan 2007 Posts: 195

If the confined kids had access to television, didn't they question why they were living in a 'dungeon' with no sun etc, when the rest of the world was so different? There's a lot more to all this than meets the eye. Too many questions.......

Merak · Inmate of the Asylum Joined: 05 Apr 2008 Posts: 214

yup. There be many questions to be answered, it's almost as if somebody is about to announce that it was all an elaborate hoax or something. How could the wife not know? Was it so sound proofed that no babies - who can outdo nuemantic drills on the decibels thingy - could be heard? Built the dungeon on his own etc etc. All very bizarre.

Vintage Girl · Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:37 pm Post subject:

Wouldn't you be ever so slightly suspicious if babies kept appearing.....you know 'please look after this bear'. Shocked

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Merak · Inmate of the Asylum Joined: 05 Apr 2008 Posts: 214

Very weird. 3 kids brought more or less by a stork? Don't think so somehow.

Vintage Girl · Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:50 pm Post subject:

The wife has got to be either, incredibly gullible, or terrified of him.
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Merak · Inmate of the Asylum Joined: 05 Apr 2008 Posts: 214

i'm failing to see how somebody wouldn't've been to every part of their house over the course of 24 years. Maybe not up on the roof unless need be, but surely you'd've been in the cellar/basement? It's not like it was a mansion or something. Rolling Eyes

And didn't it have a keypad thing for entry - like you do with your cashcard? That in itself would have you wondering what was in there. Confused

Vintage Girl · Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 9:31 am Post subject:

That's what makes me think she must have been so terrified of hime she was too afraid to ask, or too afraid of what the answer might be.
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kitchenwitch · Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 4:30 pm Post subject:

As mostly normal people we can't concieve of being decieved or freightened to such an extent that we could turn a blind eye to things that are so far out of wack. We don't know whether or not Elisabeth had anywhere to go if she did manage to escape years ago, or what her father threatened her with if she did try to leave.

I would imagine it was beginning to dawn on her that her father wasn't getting any younger and if she was going to work herself up to escape she had best do it before he died and left her down there.

Merak · Inmate of the Asylum Joined: 05 Apr 2008 Posts: 214

Apparently he's claimed that the door would automatically unlock if it hadn't been operated for a long time (not sure how long a time that means mind you):

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7377344.stm

And.... an ex lodger reckons a 2nd man also went to the cellar. But, interestly, the ex lodger claims that he heard noises coming from the cellar... so I'm assuming that the wife must've heard noises as well?

curiouser and cursiouser

kitchenwitch · Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 5:06 pm Post subject: